12 Sep 2012: Interview

Tracking the Big Snakes
Devouring the Everglades

The invasive Burmese python has altered ecosystems in Florida’s Everglades, decimating populations of native animals. In an interview with Yale Environment 360, python expert Michael Dorcas describes the ecological damage these huge snakes have caused and why it will be nearly impossible to get rid of them.

by kevin dennehy

Of all the invasions of non-native species altering ecosystems in the U.S., perhaps none has been more eye-popping than the proliferation of Burmese pythons across Florida’s Everglades.

Just three decades after the Southeast Asian species became established in southern Florida, experts believe there may now be tens of thousands of these giant snakes living across an 8,000-square-kilometer region and that these growing populations have dramatically reduced the numbers of once-common native species, including deer, bobcats and raccoons. Last month researchers euthanized the largest python ever found in the Everglades — a 17 ½-foot snake that was carrying 87 eggs, further evidence that this invasive species is well established in the region.

Michael Dorcas
Davidson College
Michael Dorcas
Michael Dorcas, a herpetologist at Davidson College, says that the Everglades were uniquely suited for an explosion in the python population. In an interview with Yale Environment 360 web editor Kevin Dennehy, Dorcas said it remains unclear just how big a geographic range these snakes might eventually occupy or how much ecological damage they could ultimately cause. What is clear, he said, is that it will be extremely difficult, if not impossible, to remove the snakes from southern Florida.

“You can go out and you can find pythons, but you can’t go out and find all the pythons — in any area,” Dorcas said. “They’re very secretive animals. And when you have a landscape that is very vast and inaccessible, it makes it very difficult to find these snakes.”

Yale Environment 360: Burmese pythons are native to Southeast Asia, yet they’re now pervasive across southern Florida. How did they get there?

Michael Dorcas: Well, that’s a good question. They’re in the United States because of the pet trade. Burmese pythons have been a major part of the reptile pet industry for decades. Everybody from little kids to adults buys Burmese pythons, often when they are very small. And when they get large oftentimes they want to get rid of them.

Now whether the snakes that are in the Everglades were released or whether they escaped, or both, nobody knows for sure.

e360: When did this start to become a problem?

Dorcas: Well, the research that we’ve done has shown that Burmese pythons have probably been a reproducing population in the Everglades at least since the 1980s. But it wasn’t until the year 2000, which is the year they were recognized as being established as a reproducing population, that the numbers started to increase dramatically and their geographic range started to increase substantially as well.

e360: How many do you think are out there now? And what kind of geographic range are we talking about?

Dorcas: It’s hard to know exactly where the front is, in terms of the invasion front, and how far north they’ve moved now. They’ve certainly moved south onto Key Largo. They’re certainly covering all of Everglades National Park, all of Big Cypress National Preserve, and are probably well north of Alligator Alley now.

Florida Python
Robert Sullivan/AFP/Getty Images
A 12-foot python found in the backyard of a home in Miami.
And in terms of how many, snakes are really difficult to do population estimates on because they’re so secretive. Even big snakes like this are really difficult. You combine that with the fact that you’ve got a terrain in South Florida of which a very small percentage is actually accessible to humans. And you also combine that with the fact that we really can’t do “mark-recapture” on these to determine population size or density. So we really don’t know. People guess anywhere from thousands to millions, but regardless of what people tell you, we really don’t know. But there are a lot of pythons. I would venture a guess at least tens of thousands of pythons. And we’re talking over 5,000 to 8,000 square kilometers. So we’re talking about a big geographic area.

e360: And they obviously get quite big. A team of researchers just recently found a python that was nearly 18 feet long.

Dorcas: I was actually down there at the time it was found. It was found in March but just recently it was euthanized. It was radio tracked from March until just recently. But, yes, it was 17 ½ feet long… That’s the biggest one so far. A lot of pythons have been found have been 14 or 15 feet. A few have been around 16 feet.

e360: And this snake we’re talking about was carrying 87 eggs. Which suggests they’re getting comfortable in the region. They’re breeding quite successfully.

Dorcas: Yeah, they’ve clearly been breeding for quite some time, but that’s the biggest clutch [ever found]. Of course that’s because it’s the biggest female that’s been found. And so bigger females have more eggs.

e360: And according to your research — and anecdotal observations — they seem to be devouring a wide range of native species. Birds, mammals, even some alligators...

Dorcas: Primarily mammals and birds, with some alligators. But primarily they eat mammals and birds.

e360: In your recent research, you’ve looked specifically at the effects on mammal populations. What kind of species loss have you found? And how did you measure that?

Dorcas: We used the main park road in the southern part of Everglades National Park as a transect to sample mammals. And they were sampled that way before pythons proliferated back in the 1990s, before we realized
We’ve literally seen decreases of 99 percent of raccoons and possums.”
they were even established. And then we’ve sampled them for many years since they’ve been established by simply driving the road and counting how many mammals we see, both dead and alive. And between the 1990s and the 2000s, we’ve literally seen decreases of 99 percent of raccoons and possums. We have not found a rabbit in the southern part of the Everglades since the year 2000 during our road transects. Bobcats are down 87 percent. Deer are down 94 percent.

So just across the board, mammals from numerous families, and even orders, have suffered severe declines that coincide both spatially and temporally with the proliferation of pythons in Everglades National Park.

e360: And these are species that were once abundant in the region?

Dorcas: Or once very common, yes. Back in the 1980s and ‘90s, they had raccoon control programs in Everglades National Park because they caused so many problems.

e360: How do you know these mammal declines are linked to growing python populations?

Dorcas: Well, we don’t know that for sure. But the data are consistent with that. And there has not been another hypothesis proposed that would cause those kinds of declines in such a diverse array of once-common mammals that really makes any sense. There’s no data to support any other hypotheses.

e360: It’s important to note that, historically, Burmese pythons are typically not a great threat to human beings, is that correct?

Florida Python
Fort Lauderdale REC/University of Florida
Michael Dorcas, right, attaches a radio transmitter to a python captured in southern Florida.
Dorcas: Yeah, typically not. There are a couple of cases of potential predation on humans in Asia, where they’re native, or at least one, that is, it’s not for sure but possible. Burmese pythons have killed their owners in captivity in the United States on several occasions. Usually it’s somebody feeding them and the snake gets wrapped around them and they can’t get it off. The snake was not necessarily trying to eat the human, but just made a mistake. But there have been a couple of cases where Burmese pythons have actually apparently tried to prey on human babies. There was one in 2009 in Florida that hit the news big time, where a python had killed a baby and it appeared to be a predatory attack.

So large snakes can kill humans... They can probably kill an adult human, but probably could not swallow one.

e360: Even still, some of the prey species you’re talking about — deer, panthers, coyotes — they’re also large, fast, strong animals...

Dorcas: Exactly. We’re not nearly as fast or as strong. There was an 80-pound deer found in a python back in October of 2011.

e360: Can you describe how a python is able to catch an animal of that size? And then how do they kill them?

Dorcas: For the most part, pythons are ambush predators. They will sit in one place and wait for something to come by. This snake that was found with a deer inside of it was literally found right next to a deer trail. So probably this snake had been sitting there for a while waiting for a deer to come by, and then struck out and grabbed it, and wrapped around and constricted it, and then swallowed it.

e360: I suppose part of that is what sometimes occurs when a new species is introduced: The native species just aren’t used to them and are naïve to their threat.

Dorcas: Yes, that’s certainly a possibility and something that we discuss in our paper that was published in January.

e360: Does that seem to be part of the problem?

Dorcas: Well, we don’t know. There haven’t been any behavioral studies
You can go out and you can find pythons, but you can’t go out and find all the pythons — in any area.”
of mammals in South Florida to look at how they respond to pythons. But it’s probably a safe assumption that things like raccoons and possums probably don’t associate snakes with being something that really is a major threat to them. Because there really hasn’t been a snake big enough to eat a raccoon living in Florida for about 18 million years.

e360: Is there any evidence that the Burmese python population explosion is having any other cascading effects on the ecosystem — whether it’s the plants and animals that were part of the diet of the species that are disappearing or the species that relied on them?

Dorcas: Not yet. Those have not been documented, but there are certainly a lot of questions about that that remain. For example, raccoons in most places are major nest predators of birds and reptiles. And if most of the raccoons are gone, then we might expect much higher nest survivorship in the Everglades ecosystem now. So it might be really beneficial for things like turtles.

e360: Are there any other exotic pets, non-native snakes or reptiles, that are having even remotely this type of impact on the Everglades?

Dorcas: Not necessarily on the Everglades, as far as we can tell. There are some that we’re really concerned about. There are lizards called tegus that are big lizards from South America that are common in the pet trade and are now established in South Florida and are major nest predators on turtles and birds and will also eat small animals. So those are a big concern. African pythons are now established just outside of Everglades National Park, and they’re very similar to Burmese pythons in terms of their size and their ecology. We don’t know how far they will spread. Boa constrictors are established in one area of Miami and have been there for at least a couple of decades as far as we can tell.

Florida Python
South Florida Water Management District
A 16-foot Burmese python captured and killed in the Everglades in October, 2011.
And then of course in Guam the brown tree snake, which was introduced in the early 1950s or so, has just devastated the fauna of that entire island and caused major changes to the ecosystem. There have been major indirect effects on things because they’ve eliminated birds and bats and things like that. Then you don’t have the pollinators for certain plants. So there are these major cascading effects.

e360: What is it about the Everglades that has allowed the Burmese python to thrive so successfully?

Dorcas: Well, for one thing Miami is a kind of major reptile import-export hub in the U.S. The other thing, I’m sure the climate in South Florida is just conducive to a high diversity of animals, both native and non-native. It’s very conducive climate for animals to become established.

e360: Research has suggested that there’s a potential that their range could expand well beyond the Florida border. What’s the long-term range potential?

Dorcas: All of the valid climate models that have been produced actually show that at least all of the state of Florida and parts of the coastal plain of the Carolinas and so forth can be suitable climate for this species.

e360: You’ve studied their survivability in South Carolina... What did you find?

Dorcas: Yes, we did a study back in 2009, 2010, where we took 10 male snakes in the Everglades and we put them in a semi-natural enclosure outside in South Carolina, in the upper coastal plain. And many of the snakes survived well into the winter when it got really, really cold. But we had in 2009-2010 a record cold spell — or several prolonged record cold spells — and all the snakes ended up dying. The last ones died during the very last cold spell. So it remains to be seen whether that was realistic enough of an experiment.

e360: Do you think it’s too early, or hyperbolic, to consider that it is possible that their potential long-term range could include as much of a third of the United States, as some have suggested?

Dorcas: I think it’s too early to say that for sure. But I certainly think that it’s something that’s worth considering.

e360: And, of course, the question now is what do you do about them. Some people say you should kill them all. Others suggest they’re here to stay, and that we should just focus on limiting their expansion. What solutions do you think should be on the table?


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Dorcas: You know, if we could do either, that would be great. The thing is, as I said before, you can go out and you can find pythons, but you can’t go out and find all the pythons — in any area. They’re very secretive animals. And when you have a landscape that is very vast and inaccessible, it makes it very difficult to find these snakes.

You could possibly suppress their numbers in certain areas, and possibly prevent their spread if you hit them really hard in certain places. But if you’re relying on a technique to get rid of pythons that relies on you finding individual snakes, it’s going to be an extremely difficult task, if not impossible, to even suppress their populations.

e360: Earlier this year, [the] U.S. Fish and Wildlife [Service] introduced a ban on importing four exotic snakes — including the Burmese python. To what extent can that help, or is the problem too far along in the Everglades?

Dorcas: In terms of actual Burmese pythons, the only thing that’s really going to help is probably [preventing] them [from] becoming established potentially in other places. It might help in that regard in that people wouldn’t let them go in other parts of Florida, and even other states, because the trade in those animals would be reduced. So in terms of that species, that’s probably the most important thing. But if there are additional Burmese pythons released into South Florida, where they’re already established, it’s probably not going to make that big a difference.

POSTED ON 12 Sep 2012 IN Biodiversity Climate Energy Policy & Politics Science & Technology North America 


It's not endangered. It's time to harvest its meat - its delicious smoked and as jerky as well as canned - send to military overseas, save leather for fancy shoes and purses, sell to raise money for homeless.

Posted by Capt. Richard Barone on 13 Sep 2012

Your expert is telling falsehoods, even in his own interview. He says explicitly that they used "raccoon control programs" in the 90s, then immediately says that the raccoon population has dropped by 90\%+ in that time period but blames pythons for it.

He also says the pythons were introduced by people releasing pets, when it's already proven that they were released due to a hurricane destroying a facility.

He mentions a study where ALL the pythons died during a SINGLE winter in Carolina, but tries to say they could still survive there. Pythons don't survive winter temps above mid-Florida, not even in captivity with the best of vet care afterwards oftentimes!

Posted by T Baker on 16 Sep 2012

Mr. Dorcas, by his broad stroke and exaggerated comments, makes clear that he misunderstands the source of the Florida Burmese python population, disregards documented environmental requirements of pythons, and chooses inflammatory rhetoric and voodoo science over facts.

Posted by Marian Green on 16 Sep 2012

The issue with Dr Dorcas's work is that he feels the need to continually downgrade his own findings. In the SREL study, all of the pythons died. It matters not that for some was during the coldest part. The animals developed respiratory infections that they cannot survive from.

Without knowing the ecological and behavioral history of those animals nothing can be said. For example, a burmese surviving cold weather while others died may have found a warmer place to hide out, e.g. rotting vegetation with a deep base.... The thing about a record cold spell is that it happens, and that it is a fact of nature. I think it did exactly what his study was out to show... these snakes cannot live in Georgia, and therefore are not going to survive winters along the coastal plain.

One last point, Dr Dorcas also fails to recognize the genetic study by Dr Collins and Freeland from Florida, that proved the Florida population is not the result of pet releases, but the result of a catastrophic release at one point in time. Most likely Hurricane Andrew in the 1990s wiping out an importer.

Posted by Simon Bassett on 16 Sep 2012

The fact that the burms in the Carolina study died from cold weather is realistic enough to me. Fact, cold temperatures kill burms. They are confined to southern Florida. Until proven otherwise, it is incorrect and misleading to state otherwise.


Posted by steve kovarie on 16 Sep 2012

Do not disturb them in their natural habitat.

Posted by deodat Armogan on 16 Sep 2012

Scaly stuff!

Posted by Mike Lewis on 17 Sep 2012

This article is filled with opinions & very little fact,"well we don't know, but". "we're not sure, but". "it's hard to know exactly". In his own study all of the snakes died, yet he continues to push the faulty premise that the Burmese will survive outside of southern Florida. It's simply not viable. These tropical reptiles need tropics to survive.

The estimate of "a guess at least tens of thousands of pythons" is in his own words based on driving down one road & counting. I was walking down the street the other day & didn't see any cardinals. I think the pythons are responsible for this as well! The severe winter that killed of his study snakes also killed off many of the raccoons & possums that he hasn't been able to count from his car.

It would be most beneficial to have a real scientific study to quantify the actual population of the Burmese pythons in southern Florida, as well as the damage they have inflicted in the region.

Posted by Steve Molina on 17 Sep 2012

Wild pigs, are decimating more of Florida's flora & fauna than these reptiles ever will. These large reptiles eat only once every 3-4 weeks. The warm blooded hogs are devouring eggs & vegetation on a daily basis. No one reads about this more serious problem.

Ah but pigs don't create the excitement. Hope Dorcas doesn't start playing with matches as he'll
probably use fire to get attention next.

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